Tapped In Chat - October 19, 2000

Started recording in After School Online Room (#1460)[TappedIn] at

Thu Oct 19 17:03:38 2000 PDT.

KeikoS exclaims, "BERNIE!"

PhilipAB says, "There have been a *lot* of WebQuest sessions this week."

BernieD exclaims, "good evening all!"

LynneM says, "Well, hello, Bernie."

Judi-2 waves

KeikoS bows to BernieD

BernieD waves to all, throwing kisses to the crowd.

PhilipAB says, "The word "WebQuest" has been turning up in English

teaching circles in France, but other subject areas

haven't discovered it yet."

BernieD says, "And I'll bet you had something to do with that "turning

up"."

Judi-2 asks, "my watch says it's about time to get started.... but

folks always show up late... shall we start and pass out

tardys to those who are late?"

KeikoS [to Philip]: "I visited an ESL class in Japan which uses the

format"

PhilipAB says, "No, I mean independently of any prosletizing on my part.

I'm a late convert."

BernieD says, "Yes, J, why don't we start."

KeikoS nods

PhilipAB listens

SuzanneB arrives from nowhere.

Mitzi follows SuzanneB to here.

Judi-2 asks, "is everyone here familiar with web page projections?"

KeikoS nods

LynneM says, "Yes."

JenW nods

Judi-2 asks, "SuzanneB is the only face I don't recognize... Suzanne do

you know about Web Page projections?"

SuzanneB says, "No. Actually I just peaked in here while waiting for my

Pepperdine professor. I'm leaving."

Judi-2 says, "oh... feel free to stay..."

Judi-2 says, "web page projections are when we SEND a web page to your

machine...."

PhilipAB peaked last week, now it's all downhill. <g>

Judi-2 says, "it pops up in front of this window..."

Judi-2 says, "but won't log you out."

Judi-2 [to Bernie]: "want to get us started? We'll warn Suzanne if

she's still here before we do the first projection"

BernieD says, "Sure. Intros first."

BernieD projects AboutB.

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I'm Bernie Dodge and I'm a professor at San Diego State University in

the Department of Educational Technology. I've been working with

teachers since the days of Apple II's, and I love my job more than ever

now that the Web is available to us as a resource.

The the last four years I've been involved with San Diego Unified School

District's two Challenge Grants (which are heavily about WebQuests).

More recently I've started work on a Preparing Tomorrow's Teachers to

Use Technology grant in which we'll be reinventing the way student

teachers learn about computers.

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PhilipAB projects Intro.

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Philip Benz teaches English and does teacher training in web-based

learning in the Ardeche region of central France.

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SuzanneB suddenly disappears.

Judi-2 projects Judi-2.

Judi Fusco--a researcher interested in studying and using virtual

communities. Judi is the community activities director here in TAPPED

IN. She loves to help teachers get started in TAPPED IN. If you have any

questions or suggestions feel free to let her know.

JenW projects Jens_Intro.

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Technology Coordinator at a private school in Corona, CA. Loves

computing - and learning new things!

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LynneM says, "I am an Educational Technology Specialist at Abington

Friends School, a Quaker school near Philadelphia. I work

with kids K-12. Help develop curriculum, train teachers and

staff, order equipment, design new programs, and work with

an older adult community (take students to teach olders).

Am also webmaster of our school site."

KeikoS projects KeikoS.

Keiko Schneider is an ex- and future- Japanese teacher currently working

on Teaching Online certificate from UCLA Extention. She hosts online

forum and manages a listserv for senseiOnline and Online Conference

Chair at WAOE (World Assocation for Online Education). The above link

is for her Bookmarks site, which is for teachers and students of

Japanese. She hopes to get back teaching online.

http://www.sabotenweb.com/bookmarks

BernieD asks, "That everyone?"

Judi-2 thinks so.

PhilipAB says, "Small group tonight."

PhilipAB says, "TI needs more missionaries. <g>"

BernieD asks, "OK... well, tonight's topic is reception scaffolding. Let

me start by asking you distinguished educators what you

mean when you use the word "scaffold"?"

JenW says, "to build upon something already learned"

KeikoS says, "Ahh, recycling."

PhilipAB says, "Scaffolding is a building metaphor used to refer to

techniques for guiding student's learning process."

BernieD asks, "All good. Anyone else want to pitch in?"

PhilipAB says, "You put up scaffolding to build the edifice of learning,

and keep it there as long as the edifice is unstable,

insecure. You take it away as soon as the construction

can stand on its own."

BernieD says, "Cool. Here's my contribution.To me, a scaffold is a

temporary structure used to help learning take place. By

partly doing some of the work for learners we allow them

to reach higher and act as if they had more expertise than

they actually have."

akiesel [guest] has arrived.

PhilipAB says, "That "over-reaching" aspect is an important part of

autonomy building."

BernieD says, "In looking at the big picture of WebQuest design, I've

been using a diagram called the ITO model for several

years now, almost from the first days of WebQuests."

BernieD says, "Welcome Amy! (Amy is in my online class).."

KeikoS listens

akiesel [guest] says, "hi"

DanielleT has arrived.

BernieD asks, "Judi... can you do the projection thing for Amy?"

Judi-2 [to Akiesel [guest]]: "are you here for the WebQuest session?"

Judi-2 says, "sure."

DanielleT says, "Hi there"

akiesel [guest] says, "yes"

Judi-2 asks, "hi DanielleT are you here for the WebQuest session?"

LynneM has arrived.

BernieD says, "The movie must have just let out."

DanielleT says, "no, I was just visiting...but webquest sounds

interesting"

Judi-2 says, "we're going to project a website in a bit.... when we

project....."

Judi-2 says, "it pops open a new window on yuour machine...."

PhilipAB says, "Danielle, kick back & set a spell."

DanielleT says, "okey dokey"

Judi-2 says, "it will appear in front of this one...it won't log you out"

Judi-2 says, "you'll have two windows open... you can look at the web

page/book mark it... whatever you want."

Judi-2 asks, "cool?"

Judi-2 says, "we'll warn before we do it"

akiesel [guest] says, "cool"

BernieD says, "And we're about to do it now."

Judi-2 waits

BernieD says, "The ITO model stands for Inputs, Transformations, and

Outputs. It provides a way to think about what our job is

as designers of constructivist learning environments."

KeikoS takes notes

BernieD says, "Instead of preparing a knowledge spray to be spewed out

over the heads of kids, we arrange for stuff for them to"

BernieD says, "look at (Inputs), we ask them to transform that

information in some way (Transformations) and..."

BernieD says, "we ask them to create artifacts that show what they've

done (Outputs)."

JenW has disconnected.

BernieD says, "There are types of scaffolding required at three critical

parts of that process. Here's how it looks visually."

BernieD exclaims, "Warning: Projection ahead!"

BernieD projects ito.

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BernieD projects the URL:

http://webquest.sdsu.edu/tv/imgs/TVwithWQ15.gif

PhilipAB says, "yes, this ITO model is so different from the traditional

magistral-transmission model of teaching still prevalent

here in France."

BernieD says, "It's a paradigm shift for some here, too, Philip."

JeffC has arrived.

Mrcrecorder (recording) has arrived.

BernieD asks, "Does this diagram make sense?"

BernieD says, "Hi JeffC"

DanielleT says, "sure"

PhilipAB nods, "sure"

BernieD says, "Ooops! You're all so sure I must be spewing the obvious."

akiesel [guest] says, "would you talk about more about the

transformation scaffolds"

DanielleT says, "oh, I wouldn't say that"

akiesel [guest] asks, "or is it just the brain and how it processes?"

PhilipAB says, "So tonight we're in reception scaffolds, what is for me

(in second language learning) the most crucial aspect of

web-based projects"

BernieD says, "So... tonight we'll focus on reception scaffolds. You see

them there as supporting the flow of information from the

inputs to the learner."

BernieD says, "Yes, Amy, this is kind of an information processing

model, but it's also a model of teaching in a new way."

BernieD says, "Here's a definition."

BernieD projects receptiondef.

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A reception scaffold is something that helps learners to perceive,

understand, organize and retain relevant information.

Examples include glossaries, reading, observation and listening guides,

interview protocols, and note taking frameworks.

Reception scaffolds are designed to take care of the fact that some

students, some of the time, aren't fully prepared to make sense of and

fully make use of the information we bring to them from more authentic

and messy sources.

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akiesel [guest] says, "makes sense"

DanielleT says, "use 'em all the time with my first graders"

KeikoS has lost her link.

BernieD says, "But sometimes even bigger people need them and we often

neglect to provide them."

BernieD says, "The story I often tell about this is when I arranged for

a group of"

DanielleT asks, "for math, blocks and manipulatives might be reception

scaffolds?"

BernieD asks, "6th graders to have a chat with an Egyptologist. It was a

complete waste of time. Why?"

Judi-2 smirks

BernieD says, "They were not prepared (I didn't prepare them) to make

good use of an unfamiliar type of resource."

DanielleT asks, "or he wasn't used to talking to 6th graders?"

BernieD says, "Maybe, Danielle. I'm not sure."

PhilipAB says, "Good def for my second language learners. Many are

awestruck by English language websites, even though they

have sufficient skills to get enough information out of

them. Like you're sixth graders, they weren't ready to

tackle the task at hand without special help."

Judi-2 says, "definitely a lack of a common language"

BernieD exclaims, "Actually, the Egyptologist was a she!"

DanielleT says, "oops"

BernieD says, "You sexist sow, you."

BernieD says, "Let's look at an example within a WebQuest."

DanielleT says, "ok"

akiesel [guest] says, "sounds good"

KarenRL has arrived.

KarenRL exclaims, "[to Judi-2] thanks!"

KarenRL says, "to Judi-2 "thanks!""

BernieD projects the URL:

http://www.richmond.edu/~ed344/webquests/shipwreck/island.html

PhilipAB says, "In the classroom, we provide scaffolding all the time

without really thinking about it. But thinking about it

helps us make that scaffolding more effective."

BernieD says, "Take a look at the role descriptions for the Botanist,

and Geographer, for example, and see if you can pick out

the reception scaffolding."

BernieD says, "Philip... we do a lot verbally face to face, but when we

clone ourselves onto a web page, we need to formalize it

some, I think."

PhilipAB says, "Yes, the hard part is to get that guidance down on the

page."

PhilipAB says, "Tips for group work, guiding questions..."

KarenRL asks, "Hello, everyone. Sorry I'm late. Nice webquest. What

is the grade level for this project?"

BernieD says, "Grades 3-4, I think the author said when submitting it."

KarenRL exclaims, "I like the idea of the student dictionary link.

That's a great idea!"

akiesel [guest] asks, "Or would it be the telling what a botanist does?"

KarenRL says, "Thanks, Bernie"

BernieD says, "I would count the guiding questions (directing the

learner's attention) and the dictionary/glossary as forms

of scaffolding."

PhilipAB says, "I notice the guiding questions are fairly vague, as they

must be since the same qeustions are used as a

comprehension grille for many different websites."

BernieD agrees

BernieD says, "This is one of the better Mystery Tasks I've seen lately."

BernieD asks, "Any other comments on this one?"

DanielleT says, "Seems tough for 3rd or 4th...but maybe I've been around

1st graders too long"

KarenRL says, "Don't feel bad Danielle. I work with K-2. I was

thinking 5th grade myself."

BernieD says, "The grade levels on these great lessons from the U of

Richmond have always struck me as high, too. Maybe the

kids are smarter in Virginia."

PhilipAB says, "There is so much text there, I'd have to use one of my

most advanced groups to handle this webquest as is."

BernieD says, "(Or maybe it's because they're written by undergrads who

haven't been fully in the trenches yet)"

KarenRL says, "I like the navigation idea, though. Maybe we could

tailor it for the younger grades. I'm thinking community,

neighborhood, city, state. . ."

DanielleT says, "Well, as a reading specialist, I'd level that text at

about 6th grade, first glance"

BernieD says, "You'll have to change the message in a bottle to

something else then."

KarenRL says, "True. . .but with younger grades, any message/mystery is

interesting to them."

BernieD says, "Let's look at another."

DanielleT says, "the concept is fantastic"

DanielleT says, "yes, let's see another"

BernieD says, "My apologies to Philip, who saw this in yesterday's SEPUP

session."

BernieD projects fairy.

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The Realm of Fairy Tales contains a number of excellent excellent

examples of scaffolding.

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BernieD projects the URL:

http://204.170.128.4/schools/marvine/jhoke/jhwebquest/jhwebquest.htm

PhilipAB says, "np"

BernieD says, "Scaffolding is almost always found in the Process

section. Take a look at the first few steps there."

DanielleT says, "the whole thing has scaffolding"

DanielleT says, "it's broken down into bitesize nuggets"

DanielleT says, "and the text is very readable for that grade level"

DanielleT says, "I like it"

BernieD says, "The nuggetizing is pretty typical for any WebQuest."

DanielleT says, "I admit they are new to me"

DanielleT says, "This would fit really well with our state benchmarks"

BernieD says, "Hmmmm... nuggetizing. I think I'll work that into a

session."

KarenRL says, "I like this. I had thought about students writing a folk

tale, but maybe this is easier. P.S. on the other

webquest, I would write a relevant message, not just any

message."

PhilipAB says, "Yes, this quest I could probably use as is, although

since my students are almost all 16-18 year old boys,

they might revolt at the subject and graphics. <g>"

DanielleT says, "I don't know if "nuggetizing" is "appetizing" :)"

PhilipAB says, "It sounds too McDonaldized to me."

akiesel [guest] says, "That is one of the problems we are having while

writing our own.The nuggetizing and keeping things

small enough to digest."

DanielleT says, "we know what the French think of McDonalds"

BernieD exclaims, "And the French are en garde about that!"

KarenRL says, "But, Philip, maybe you could have them write a story with

a problem and have them come up with some solutions, based

on some online stories they read."

LynneM gets Note_13269 from the vending machine.

BernieD says, "Let me direct your attention particularly to one page."

KarenRL says, "Not necessarily fairy tales. Maybe folk tales, where

they have to come up with a moral or lesson."

BernieD projects fairythemes.

BernieD projects the URL:

http://204.170.128.4/schools/marvine/jhoke/jhwebquest/themes.htm

PhilipAB says, "Yes, I usually stick to detective/thriller/action

genres. But the same principles can be used. I could

model a quest on this one. Indeed, it would work very

well offline with traditional text sources."

BernieD says, "This does, I think, a wonderful job of helping the kids

direct their attention to specific aspects of these fairy

tales."

KarenRL says, "Yes, and those are common themes found in fairy tales."

BernieD says, "It also gives them a place to record what they find so

that they can look for patterns as they go."

PhilipAB says, "You can tell that the author of this quest had studied

Propp's "Morphology of the Folk Tale." <g>"

DanielleT says, "thanks for letting me join you all. I have to go do

some outside chores before it gets dark"

DanielleT says, "bye"

BernieD says, "Europeans are so well read! :-)"

PhilipAB says, "You can get a lot of mileage out of this sort of

structural analysis."

KarenRL says, "Bye"

DanielleT has disconnected.

BernieD asks, "Is it something I said?"

KarenRL says, "No, I don't think so. Danielle had something else to do."

PhilipAB knew he should have showered after that Tennis match.

KarenRL says, "Or were you kidding? :-)"

BernieD asks, "So... I guess y'all get the general picture about

reception scaffolds,right?"

BernieD says, "I was kidding."

akiesel [guest] says, "yes"

PhilipAB says, "Yes. It's a subject I'm struggling with right now."

KarenRL exclaims, "Cute, Bernie. Wait until I see you at MAME!"

BernieD says, "I've put together a table with some of the possibilities:"

BernieD projects reception.

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This is a table of possible reception scaffold types with links to

examples.

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BernieD projects the URL:

http://projects.edtech.sandi.net/staffdev/patterns2000/reception.html

PhilipAB says, "I've got a WebQuest called "Exploring Mars" that really

needs a lot of heavy scaffolding, but it also includes so

many diverse source sites that I'd be hard pressed to

create further scaffolding that could go anywhere."

KarenRL exclaims, "Well, considering that I arrived late, I would have

said yes. But this table really spells it out for me.

Thanks!"

BernieD says, "There won't be time to poke through all of this page, but

you might want to bookmark it for further exploration."

KarenRL says, "I already did."

PhilipAB asks, "Good scaffolding really needs to be tailored to the

source site's resources, don't you think?"

BernieD says, "Yes, and to the task."

BernieD says, "I inflicted this concept on the 130 teachers we did

workshops for this summer and I'm expecting to see a lot

more good examples in time for our December showcase."

KarenRL asks, "Hmm, are these teachers still speaking to you?"

PhilipAB says, "That must've been a great workshop."

BernieD says, "Think so. Hope so."

KarenRL says, "Okay, my kidding didn't work that time. I'll get you at

MAME."

KarenRL smiles

PhilipAB asks, "MAME? a California conference, I suppose?"

BernieD asks, "Are you going to pie me?"

BernieD asks, "No... Lansing Michigan in two weeks. Or is it next week?"

KarenRL says, "Ooh, that's a thought!!!! Yes, it is next week."

BernieD says, "Guess I better get a plane ticket."

KarenRL asks, "Are you ready for us?"

BernieD says, "Yup."

KarenRL laughs

BernieD says, "Philip, here's the url of the whole workshop."

BernieD projects the URL:

http://projects.edtech.sandi.net/staffdev/patterns2000/

BernieD says, "This was for people I've been working with for 3 years,

so it's not for beginners."

akiesel [guest] says, "Well I am going to say goodnight. Bye"

BernieD says, "Yes... it's time to wind down. It's been good to see you

all here."

KarenRL says, "I see, that. Hmmm where's the beginner's url."

PhilipAB says, "I can see I've got my work cut out for me."

PhilipAB says, "I'd really like to be able to do teacher training that

was focused on a single tool like WebQuests."

BernieD says, "Karen... there are some workshop outlines on the Training

Materials page of the WebQuest site."

KarenRL exclaims, "Gotcha. Thanks!"

PhilipAB says, "I usually have to cover the whole gamut, from CDroms to

comms tools to web-based projects, to search engines,

etc."

BernieD exclaims, "I'll say good night, then. Thanks for coming!"

Judi-2 waves

KarenRL exclaims, "Goodnight, Bernie!"

KarenRL exclaims, "Bye, Judi-2. Thanks for getting me the entire

transcript!"

BernieD has disconnected.