WebQuest Chat

School of the Future, University of Sao Paulo,

July 30, 2002

15:54:39 [clara] Olá Bernie, sim esta é a sala que vai ocorrer o bate-papo
15:55:38 [jarbas] Hi, Bernie. Ready to speak some Portenglish?
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15:56:34 [clara] Oi Jarbas, Wesley, Fred, Boa tarde
15:56:54 [clara] Olá Bee
15:56:57 [Bee] Olá, Hello!
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15:57:27 [jarbas] Hi/oi, Barbara e outros/and others.
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15:57:44 >[Bernie] Welcome to our chat. Please obey the net etiquette while chatting: try to be pleasant and polite.
15:57:46 [Bee] Olá Jarbas...good to see you here...have you had a nice holiday?
15:57:59 [jarbas] Hi/oi, Rachid.
15:58:27 [Bernie] Boa tarde, all!
15:58:32 [rachid] Olá Jarbas, Tudo bem?
15:58:55 [rachid] Olá Bee
15:59:10 [Bee] Olá Rachid...good to see you again
15:59:12 [jarbas] It was not holiday... I travelled Europe to a conference
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15:59:47 [clara] TO Bee> Olá Bee - o Jarbas voltou de viagem, vcs vão poder fazer uma moderação conjunta... só estou encanada pq a sua fala não está funcionando... o administrador do chat foi dar uma olhada
15:59:56 [Bee] I see...I'm travelling mid August
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16:00:39 [Kico] Hi...
16:01:02 [Bee] Olá Kico et Nuno, benvindos ao chat
16:01:26 [jarbas] Bernie, I think you can start with a general message for Brazilian webquesters.
16:01:45 [Kico] Tudo bem, Bee?
16:01:54 [sebas] Hola a todos i todas, desde Cataluña
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16:02:36 [jarbas] Olá Sebas. Bienvenido.
16:02:50 [Bee] Olá Michel, o1 and Sebas , welcome to our chat with Bernie
16:03:02 [sebas] Hola
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16:03:14 [Bernie] Well... should we begin? I'm very happy to be here. Brasil has the most enthusiastic body of WebQuesters outside of the US. Good to see you all here.
16:03:15 [Xandy] Olá pessoal!
16:03:21 [michel] Hi
16:03:30 [carme] ola
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16:03:56 [jarbas] Olá Carme.
16:03:58 [Bee] Thank you Bernie...welcome back to Brazil and it's a pleasure to see you here with us again
16:04:03 [Xandy] alguem que fale português?
16:04:10 [carme] Hola a todos también desde Catalunya
16:04:32 [Kico] Eu falo, português, sim.
16:04:35 [carme] Olá Jarbas
16:04:53 [Bee] I see there are many people from different parts of the world taking part in this chat...
16:05:00 [Xandy] Tô perdido gente!
16:05:07 [NunoMP] Devo escrever as mensagens rm portuguës
16:05:21 [jarbas] Bernie, there are some people from Catalunya in this room.
16:05:28 [Kico] It´s true.
16:05:44 [Bernie] I don't have any prepared remarks, so perhaps it would be good if someone had a question to start us off.
16:05:47 [Xandy] alguem pode me explicar como funciona esta sala?
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16:05:53 [carme] Hello Bernie,
16:06:02 [Malice] obrigada! boa tarde para todos!
16:06:10 [Bee] Oi Xandy, você precisa de ajuda? Se não souber escrever em ingles...faça sua pergunta em portugues e eu tento traduzir...
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16:06:47 [Xandy] sou novato aki, como funciona?
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16:07:07 [Joana] Xandy> Eu falo ...
16:07:16 [MJSoares] Boa tarde!
16:07:25 [jarbas] Bernie, I kow some of the wq made by Brazilians. Any comments?
16:07:27 [Joana] ???????????
16:07:40 [NunoMP] Bee> Preciso saber se ele recebeu meu e-mail enviado no sabado
16:07:57 [msm63] Boa tarde!
16:08:23 [celina] Hello Bernie and Jarbas!
16:08:28 [msm63] Eu estou em Joinville - SC
16:08:39 [Bee] Bernie> NunoMP wants to know if you got the e-mail he sent you last Saturday...
16:08:48 [Joana] Xandy> onde vc está ?
16:08:54 [jarbas] Hello Celina.
16:09:24 [sebas] carme> Hola, com vas....
16:09:47 [Bee] jarbas> I think it would be a good idea to see what language people understand and speak...and how we are going to conduct this...perhaps people could introduce themselves so we know who is there and why they are here today
16:10:32 [Xandy] TO Joana Sampa e vc?
16:10:32 [celina] Celina Brasil - WQ :"Ajude a salvar a natureza"
16:10:37 [jarbas] Good idea, Bee.
16:10:45 [carme] hello Sebas find and you
16:10:53 [Joana] Xandy> Minas
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16:11:05 [Bernie] Jarbas asks if I can comment on the Brasilian WebQuests. I wish I were bilingual so that I could fully appreciate the work that some of you have done. The WebQuest page there is very impressive but I can't say much about the WebQuests themselves until I take the time to run them through some translation software. I'm sure, though, that Jarbas is making sure that they are magnificent.
16:11:13 [celina] Celina: São Paulo
16:12:13 [Kico] Kico: São Paulo
16:12:35 [Bee] Olá Pessoal ! Será que voces poderiam se apresentar - de onde vem, o que fazem, por que estão aqui e se falam/compreendem o inglês
16:13:10 [jarbas] Pessoal, nossa conversa será conduzida em inglês e português. Quem puder se comunicar em inglês, não se acanhe. Quem não puder, faça perguntas em português, e eu, a Bee e outros faremos a tradução.
16:13:24 [MJSoares] Sou professora e estudante de pós na Universidade de Lavras e escolhi como tema de minha monografia: WEBQUEST, criação e aplicação de uma WQ
16:13:43 [msm63] Estou com dificuldades de estabelecer comunicação...
16:13:51 [celina] Bernie, Congratulations for your "invention" . I'm math's teacher. (math. logical).
16:14:24 [Bee] Barbara Dieu - Coordinator Foreign Language Dept/Lycée Pasteur Sao Paulo - I'm working with webquests for foreign language students
16:14:30 [Bernie] Thanks, Celina. I'm a former math teacher myself.
16:14:42 [cristiana] My name is Cristiana Assumpcao and I live and work in São Paulo (Colégio Bandeirantes). I just came back from NY where I did my MA, EdM and Ed D in Instructional Technology and Media at Columbia Univ. I am currently working with teacher professional development in technology integration and have been using WQs and training teachers to use them for the last 3 and 1/2 years.
16:14:55 [MJSoares] Agradeço ao Professor Marinho, pela atenção e as orientações sugeridas à minha primeira WebQuest : Educação do trânsito não tem idade.
16:14:57 [Malice] Maria Alice:Belo Horizonte, sou pedagoga.
16:15:06 [Bee] Benvinda MJSoares
16:15:35 [michel] I 'm tech coordinator in Colegio Bialik and we are doing some experiences with webquests and Wiki servers in what we call WikiQuests
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16:16:05 [carme] My name i Carme i am a teacher in a Instructional Technology in a Catalonia Spain
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16:16:27 [NunoMP] I sent an email on virtual Zoologico and a proposal to be created a CD-ROM in PDF. You received ?
16:16:33 [Bernie] Interesting, Michel... I just recently started looking at Wiki's myself. Can you provide us with a URL for your WikiQuests?
16:16:54 [celina] Bernie, what do you think about the use of WQ for e- leraning?
16:17:01 [MJSoares] rachid> Ok! será muito interessante trocar experiências com vc.
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16:17:15 [Bernie] I think so, Nuno. I'm way behind in my e-mail.
16:17:19 [Xandy] Estou mais perdido que barata tonta!!!!!!!!!!!!!
16:17:27 [msm63] Meu nome é Mônica. Joinville - SC. Sou coordenadora de informática educacional.
16:17:28 [celina] sorry, "e- learning"
16:17:43 [Kico] kico Santos, Escola do Futuro/USP.
16:17:53 [michel] eacher webquest: http://200.207.152.47/professores/chico/FrontPage , Students work: http://200.207.152.47/projetos/seculovinte/FrontPage
16:18:10 [rachid] Rachid: estou trabalhando na com WebQuest.
16:18:18 [MJSoares] rachid> Tenho pesquisado muito sobre WebQuest, mas não tenho visto nada quanto aos resultados obtidos pelos alunos. Acho que seria interessante a divulgação da aplicação do projeto de uma WebQuest: experiências vividas em sala de aula, divulgação dos resultados. As trocas de experiências nos enriquecem
16:18:27 [Xandy] entrei por conhecidência!
16:19:10 [Bernie] Celina... I think they are very good for e-learning (I'm assuming you mean a situation in which the learners do not meet face to face). The problem with getting people to interact with each other in an online course is that the tasks we give them are usually academic and not very engaging. A WebQuest could provide a meaningful task to get them talking and thinking together.
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16:19:52 [NunoMP] Off? Pessoal, quem desejar ajuda em ingles use o link http://www.systranbox.com/systran/box aberto em uma outra p[agina
16:20:20 [cristiana] Bernie, in your experience, have you seen WQs being used in normal curriculum with classrooms of 50 students? How does that work?
16:20:23 [rachid] MJSoares> Concordo com você, algumas escolas particulares utilizaram webquest em seu 1º semestre, mas ainda não sei quais foram os resultados alcançados.
16:20:31 [msm63] Estruturei uma WQ intitulada: A água nossa de cada dia e estarei colocando-a em prática neste segundo semestre letivo.
16:20:51 [Bernie] Thanks, Michel. I'll study those later.
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16:21:44 [celina] Bernie, do you know some WQ for e-learning?
16:21:46 [MJSoares] Ao trabalhar a WebQuest: Educação no trânsito não tem idade, e hoje sabendo ainda o quanto posso melhorá-la ; posso afirmar que meus alunos da 2ª série fundamental nunca trabalharam com tanto entusiasmo e alegria.
16:22:00 [rachid] ótimo Mônica, gostariamos de ter notícias de como será e depois como foi a experiência.... Não se esqueça de nós!!
16:22:01 [Bee] Bernie> Many teachers have seen examples of webquests online, however they do not have any feedback on how the students reacted and participated and there is no comment on the results. Do you have any sites where we can see the students'work and reports?
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16:23:10 [Mílada] Hi Bernie and all. I´d çlike to ask you how did you organize (criate) your first WQ, or how did you percept that it could be a way to work with projects in Internet... (Sorry for my English...) Thanks
16:23:53 [celina] Jarbas, deu para ver a WQ de mat. que fizemos?http://www.webquestcabriweb.hpg.com.br
16:24:09 [Bernie] Cristiana <-- I haven't seen it used with classes that large. The only change that I can see is that you'd need to have more groups working in parallel.
16:24:13 [Xandy] ALGUÉM DISPONÍVEL PARA TC UMA OUTRA HORA?
16:24:47 [MJSoares] rachid> Estamos desenvolvendo uma WebQuest sobre as eleições 2002 (conhecer as propostas dos candidatos e fazer uma avaliação das mesmas); gostaria de saber se nesse caso devemos direcionar os recursos ou deixar livre. Temos receios quanto ao direcionamento da pesquisa
16:25:02 [Pathi] Gostaria de saber qual a diferença entre WebQuest, Internet Workshop e Internet Inquiry
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16:25:03 [Bernie] Celina <-- Most e-learning courses are behind a firewall and so the details are hidden, so I can't point you to any e-learning examples off the top of my head.
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16:26:05 [EsterB] Xandy> Xandy, eu quero crer que voce ja percebeu que nao esta numa sala de bate-papo da uol, mas sim numa discussão academica. Por favor respeite isto.
16:26:10 [cristiana] Thanks. We have different conditions here than in the States... it's quite challenging.
16:26:18 [Mílada] Oi Rachid...Nossa WQ já está OK, mas estamos esperando uma chamada para publicá-la no portal EducaRede http://www.educarede.org.br , por isso ainda não dei notícias.
16:27:24 [Bernie] Milada <-- The story of the first WebQuest can be seen at http://www.education-world.com/a_tech/tech020.shtml . I did it with a class of student teachers in 1995 and that night changed the way I teach from that point on.
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16:28:08 [Pathi] Bernie, I´d like to know about the differences between WebQuest, Intenet Workshop and Internt Inquiry
16:28:50 [msm63] Gostaria de perguntar ao prof. Bernie há quanto tempo ele criou a 1ª WQ e se, de lá para cá, surgiram outras propostas de reformulação do modelo original. Alguém me ajudaria na tradução?
16:28:52 [rachid] Mílada> Ok... mas assim que possível aguardo seu contato com notícias.
16:29:21 [MJSoares] Ok!
16:29:45 [michel] Bernie> webquest is a great tool for teachers organized searches, but for students' own searches? (something better then big6...)
16:30:48 [cristiana] msm63, o prof. Bernie acabou de responder a esta pergunta. Esta história está no link que ele acaba de indicar.
16:30:50 [NunoMP] Desenvolvi 16 mini tutoriais passo a passo, enfocando principalmente software freeware e como produto final uma webquest em PDF que ser[a distribuida entre os participantes no formato de um CD-ROM. Algu[m j[a pensou em coisa semelhante
16:31:15 [MJSoares] Ao aplicar uma WebQuest em sala, principalmente para alunos sem domínio das ferramentas necessárias para execução da mesma, devemos ir sanando as dificuldades ou isso deve ser trabalhado antes.
16:31:15 [Mílada] Thank you, I can imagine that it was a very important insight...I´ll read that. I work in a ONG with public schools and we will try to build WQ with 4 schools. Now we are developing the meetings, dates, texts.. Do you always use chats in your formations?
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16:32:09 [Bernie] Pathi <-- I'm unfamiliar with those other two formats but I'll bet there are some overlaps. The basic thing that distinguishes WebQuests from many other things is that it's about higher level thinking wrapped around a task. It isn't pure inquiry because the links and the problem or question are pre-determined by the teacher. It does prepare students well for more open-ended inquiry later, I think.
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16:33:01 [Bee] Bernie> I am creating some webquests for EFL/ESL but find this an extremely complex task...challenging for sure...but you must provide twice or even three times the scaffolding needed in a normal quest...I am right in the midst of The Copabacana Restaurant quest...using it with my students now...and stumbling along the way...but it's a very interesting experience. http://the_english_dept.tripod.com/foodquest/index.html. I'd love to have your comment and suggestions on it.
16:33:40 [msm63] NunoMP> Posso fazer uma consideração? O produto final está inserido na WQ. É parte dela. Uma WQ tem outras etapas muito importantes: sendo que uma delas está no processo.
16:33:56 [Bernie] Bee<-- Give me a moment and I'll have some quick comments.
16:34:12 [Bee] Bernie> thanks...
16:34:45 [NunoMP] Eles ainda nao estao disponiveis na web. Tenho que conseguir um bom provedor que hospede tambem as iamgens e os templates. Caso voce desejar posso enviar uma amostra dos mesmos. Meu e-mail e? nunomp@ig.com.br
16:35:08 [celina] Bernie, prof. Jarbas is a very good for teacher WQ. I did one workshop and I liked very much!
16:35:22 [jarbas] Celina, dei uma olhada rápida na wq sobre matemática. Parece muito boa. Precisamos inclui-la nas referências do nosso site.
16:35:58 [MJSoares] jarbas> Ao aplicar uma WebQuest em sala, principalmente para alunos sem domínio das ferramentas necessárias para execução da mesma, devemos ir sanando as dificuldades ou isso deve ser trabalhado antes.
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16:36:42 [Bernie] <--Bee What a terrific WebQuest! I like the graphic organizers and the way you divided the tasks.
16:37:06 [msm63] Bernie> Também concordo com a Celina. Aprendi a fazer uma WQ graças às intervenções e orientações do Prof. Jarbas, num Workshop sobre o tema.
16:37:20 [EsterB] msm63> The story of the fA primeira WQ foi em 1995. Vc pode ver mais no site http://www.education-world.com/a_tech/tech020.shtml
16:37:36 [NunoMP] Quem desejar conhecer mande um e-mail para mim.
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16:38:13 [celina] Jarbas, precisamos de alguma escola para usar nossa WQ de mat. Gostaríamos de ver os resultados.Se alguém tiver sugestões para melhorá-la agradecemos.
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16:38:41 [Bee] Bernie> I started it in January...and am still working on it...adapting it to the students needs...but what I said was that it is impossible to predict all that is going to happen in a foreign language quest and what scaffolding exercises you need...so you create them as things go by...and include them
16:38:56 [Pathi] Bernie, we usually use a reduced form of Internet Workshop, indicanting the site for the searches of the students and makinf questions about the informations they found and would like to share with the class. What kind of conclusions do you think we could use with all the group?
16:39:05 [Bernie] Michel <-- To answer your question about students doing their own research, I like the Research Cycle that Jamie McKenzie created. (http://www.fno.org). I also have a page that helps people used Google better which you can find on the Training Materials page on my site.
16:39:15 [Cabeda] Boa tarde há moderador e ordem para encaminhar duas questões?
16:39:22 [MJSoares] Se tratando de uma WebQuest de curta duração (uma ou três aulas) , e sabendo que o resultado final de uma WebQuest assume diversas formas, pois o processo de construção do conhecimento está integrado às praticas vividas, pois cada um tem o seu modo de viver, de pensar, experiências culturais; como devemos trabalhar o limite de tempo para execução da WebQuest e conseqüentemente a avaliação dos resultados?
16:40:16 [Mílada] Celina estamos começando a usar WQ com escola públicas neste semestre, podemos utilizar sua WQ como exemplo, primeiro iremos conhecê-la, e se as escolas a utilizarem trocamos os resultados. Onde ela está?
16:40:21 [lanalice] Jarbas, é possível organizar uma WQ juntamente com os alunos ou é necessário apresentá-la cin todas as fases (introdução, objetivo, tarefa, processo...)?
16:40:25 [jarbas] MJSoares, não sei se entendi bem sua questão. Em príncipio, wq's não colocam desafios técnicos (de uso da Web ou de computadores) para os alunos. Eventualmente, algumas wq's exigem que a tarefa seja trabalhada com utilização de ferramentas informáticas. Nesses casos, se os alunos não dominam bem os instrumentos, a própria wq deve sugerir casminhos de aprendizagem.
16:40:30 [Cabeda] Bee> Estou em private contigo agora?
16:40:36 [celina] Jarbas, alguém já fez WQ para ensino superior?
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16:41:36 [EsterB] rachid> Oi Rachid. Td bem? Estamos com saudades das aulas de capacitação WQ.
16:41:41 [celina] Milada. muito obrigada! Está em http://www.webquestcabriweb.hpg.com.br
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16:42:25 [Bernie] Pathi <-- It depends on your objectives. You can use that method to develop awareness of a topic and have them answer factual recall type questions. It seems to me that if you make the questions more open-ended, you can have a class discussion that is more high level. In any case, you need to be sure to have the students evaluate the sources of information as they look at them.
16:42:36 [rachid] EsterB> Obrigada!!! Eu também estou com saudades do curso.
16:42:41 [jarbas] Celina, há poucas wq para o ensino superior. Esa é uma área a ser desenvolvida. Acho que vocês na PUC poderiam dar um bom impulso.
16:42:46 [Cabeda] Bee> obrigado mas não entendi a orientação "perto da hora"
16:43:01 [msm63] Eu e o Cabedas estamos dando os primeiros passos nesta direção. Na verdade, seria uma re-estruturação da WQ original de Bernie.
16:43:02 [MJSoares] jarbas> As dificuldades surgem quando trabalhamos com crianças do ensino fundamental. Eles ainda não tem domínio para dominarem certas ferramentas...
16:43:07 [celina] msm63, se eu puder participar agradeceria.
16:43:14 [Cabeda] msm63> Mônica!!!
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16:44:24 [Bernie] Are there any questions directed to me that I've missed?
16:44:37 [michel] Bernie> thanks Bernie, I will see fno.org and your page about Google. If you want more info about WikiQuest - michel@bialik.g12.br , bye
16:44:59 [MJSoares] jarbas> Por exemplo: mandar e-mail, representar resultados através de gráficos.
16:45:17 [celina] Jarbas, com sua ajuda podemos tentar wq para ensino sup.
16:45:22 [Cabeda] Bernie> Hello Mr. Dodge! I have two questions for you!
16:45:25 [EsterB] rachid> Que longe!!! O conteudo deste chat ficara disponivel na Web?
16:45:36 [Jhonny] raquel> Olá!
16:45:40 [Bee] Bernie> I am working on another quest for foreign language stds on radical sports...together with Philip Benz from France and Deb Blaz from the States...we meet at tappedin and have created a virtual office where we store our work...I think we are going to call it Further and Beyond...let's go on a radical ride surfing and canyoning...
16:45:58 [clara] Sim Ester, a partir de amanhã
16:46:04 [Cabeda] msm63>;-))
16:46:11 [rachid] EsterB> sim ... no Portal da Wq tem um link de acesso
16:46:34 [Cabeda] Bee> No fine ...
16:46:52 [Cabeda] Bee> May I go ahead?
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16:47:02 [Bernie] Bee <-- That sounds exciting. Kids are very interested in Extreme Sports (because they know they are immortal). Philip is a remarkable guy.
16:47:19 [Cristiana] Bernie> Have you ever had middle or high school students develop a WQ? If so, what did you think of the experience?
16:47:49 [Bernie] Cabeda <-- please go ahead
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16:48:06 [Cabeda] Bernie> Hello Mr. Dodge - here is Marcelo Cabeda from Rio Grande do Sul State writing.
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16:48:33 [fred] hi every1
16:48:57 [celina] oi fred
16:49:05 [fred] im a chemistry teacher from the Universidade Católica de Brasília
16:49:09 [Mílada] bernie : Bernie: doyou always use chats in your courses...I´m asking you about this couse we are working with public school´s teacher in diferentes parts of Brasil and I´m affraid that it can be problematic to book a date with all...What do you think about Fóruns ( where we can send questions and asnwerm but not on line...)?
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16:49:18 [Cabeda] I`m a lecturer that would like with Monica(MSM63) to experience the webquest method orienting a graduation`s monography about Environmental Management System applied in a Case Study.
16:49:25 [Kico] Hi Fred...
16:49:28 [fred] nao obrgiadoBee
16:49:59 [fred] hi celina...kiko
16:50:00 [NunoMP] Bernie, my email is nunomp@ig.com.br. Thus that you to read, send message says me what you thinks the respect.
16:50:07 [lanalice] Jarbas, vou perguntar novamente porque é importante para quem gostaria de formar professores no uso da WQ: é possível organizar uma WQ juntamente com os alunos ou é preciso apresentá-la com todas as feses (introd.,objetivos, tarefas..)?
16:50:26 [Cabeda] Bernie> My first question is, could you give me some advises about using webquest in this kind of learning? (a graduation`s paper)
16:50:34 [celina] obrigada msm63 meu e-mail está na lista dos webquesteiros .
16:51:24 [fred] now im lecturing class on use of new tecnologies in learning-teaching processes and have begun to ask my students to produce WQs
16:51:26 [EsterB] fred> Vc usa WQ nas suas aulas?
16:52:02 [celina] msm63 o meu é abarcaap@pucsp.br
16:52:07 [fred] EsterB> eu tenho desenvolvido alugas WQs com meus alunos. eles são alunos de licenciatura em química.
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16:52:44 [Bernie] Cabeda <-- I think a case study approach lends itself well to WebQuests. Just be sure to go beyond analyzing and make a recommendation or design a product or solution.
16:53:07 [fred] EsterB> tenho um site no link http://www.ucb.br/quimica/quimicacomputacional/Professor/quimica_computacional_i_principal.htm
16:53:23 [EsterB] fred> Os resultado têm sido positivos?
16:53:38 [celina] fred, desenvolver WQ é uma tarefa árdua e gostaria de ver relatos de aplicações de WQ. Como foi e o que mais atrae os alunos.
16:53:48 [Cabeda] Bernie> BernieThanks! In your method Mr. Dodge, you propose to the Lecturer to show the best site for an especific research area to the student. With my group I`m thinking to teach then "The steps for a best websearch" and I hope that they could find and show the best sites about the subject. May I do like that?BernieBernieBernie
16:53:55 [Pathi] Bernie, we would like to show what we develop in our school, with some details, so we can change informations with you more especific. Here´s our e-mail colegiofundamentum@colegiofundamentum.com.br. We would like to keep in touch. Thanks for the colaboration.
16:54:10 [Bernie] Milada <-- I think Forums are great. E-mail lists are even better, though, because the information comes to the user instead of them having to go somewhere to get it. Sometimes you have to get in people's faces somewhat in an online class to make sure they stay engaged and on schedule.
16:54:13 [fred] no momento eu tive contato com a metodologia na semestre passado e ainda não consegui levar para as escolas. Vou tentar isso agora.
16:54:14 [jarbas] Lanalice, sim é possível wq's dos alunos. Em algum lugar tenho um artigo publicado na Gringolandia sobre isso. Me contate postriormente para eu lhe mandar referencia. O que define uma wq não é o roteiro, mas um trabalho investigativo feito dentro de orientações de aprendizagem cooperativa.
16:54:20 [Mílada] Bee Sim, temos alguns fóruns no educarede, onde a comunicação é mais lenta, as perguntas e respostas não são tão dinâmicas...mas a troca é possível.
16:55:23 [fred] celina> os alunos gostaram muito. como são alunos de licenciatura a possibilidade de construir seu próprios mateirl didático na web foi muito boa elee se tornam atores do processos
16:55:47 [Cabeda] msm63> Férias? ;-)
16:56:04 [Bernie] Cabeda <-- Having students do research and find their own sites is a good idea, especially for older learners. But that's not what WebQuests are about. There's a parallel track of learning that takes place that involves research skills and I don't have much light to shed on that.
16:56:16 [celina] Jarbas, em algum lugar há relatos de experiência de uso de WQ?
16:56:19 [Bernie] Cristiana <-- many have proposed the idea of having kids develop WebQuests but I haven’t seen it done successfully yet. To be a good WebQuest, it has to involve good pedagogy and that’s something that kids don’t know much about. Kids do have more time than adults, so perhaps they’d be better at finding good links. On the other hand, here in the US people worry about kids seeing adult sites, so having them search freely isn’t a great idea either.
16:56:27 [Pathi] Jarbas, onde você divulga os resultados dos alunos? Assim, poderemos ver se é aplicável à nossa realidade.
16:56:36 [rachid] fred> Isso é uma coisa que a WQ possibilita para os professores: se tornarem autores... Isso é muito bom
16:56:40 [Bee] Bernie> What are the latest developments in webquests?
16:56:45 [Mílada] Thank you bernie. We will have a email group too....
16:57:01 [Bernie] Bee <-- I'm glad you asked.
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16:57:17 [Cabeda] Bernie> thanks a lot!
16:57:23 [fred] for me the best feature inWQ is the individual research and grupo discussion aspects...Bernie, would like to tell more about it and how to better explore the cooperative learning groups?
16:57:46 [NunoMP] Alguem está interessado em implantar uma WebQuest de Biologia - Seres Vivos - e conhecer o processo de criaçäo de uma WebQuest interativa em CD-ROM.
16:58:02 [Cristiana] Bernie> Thanks. I see your point! Here in Brazil parents are not that worried yet about free searching, but of course they would lack the pedagogical skills...
16:58:05 [Bernie] The thing I'm working most on these days is called "Design Patterns". It's a way to provide additional scaffolding to teachers who want to make their own WebQuests. It has cut the development time in half for our student teachers here.
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16:58:39 [Bernie] If you'd like to learn more about Design Patterns, go to http://webquest.sdsu.edu/designpatterns/all.htm
16:58:58 [fred] msm63> muito obrigado
16:59:07 [Mílada] Bee : Sim, deixamos lá nossos recados, asa pessoas recebem respostas ás suas pergntas. Não tenho certeza quanto aos links, mas você pode indicar a url...com certeza. Conheça nosso Fórum sobre Grêmio Escolar: http://www.educarede.org.br/educa/forum/index.cfm?pagina=forum&id_forum=1
16:59:18 [Bee] Bernie> Yes...this would be very useful...although I had much fun working with the graphics and the inspiration material...it took me hours to build it!
16:59:26 [jarbas] Há mais de uma questão sobre relatos sobre usos de wq's. Há, por outro lado, pouca informação disponível. Por isso, queremos em nosso site, na eEscola do Futuro, abrir uma seção específica sobre isso. Para tanto precisamos de relatos. Aguardamos desde já.
17:00:03 [Cabeda] msm63> mande de novo! ;-)
17:00:30 [fred] jarbas> grande ieía, jarbas. precisamos mesmo trocar nossas experiências
17:01:22 [Cristiana] NunoMP> Que proposta interessante. Eu gostaria de saber mais.
17:01:45 [fred] celina> desculpa a pergunta, mas de onde você é? Mato grosso?
17:01:46 [celina] Mr. Dodge, do you have in your site reports about the use of WQ?
17:02:07 [graç] boa tarde todos.é um prazer estar com o Bernie, se é que posso trat''a-lo assim.
17:02:25 [fred] NunoMP> boa ideia sucesso pra você
17:02:37 [celina] Fred, sou da PUCSP. professora de matematica e logica.
17:02:40 [MJSoares] rachid> Obrigada pelas orientações.... trocamos idéias por e-mail.
17:02:44 [Bernie] Fred<-- I think the skill of using cooperative learning is one of the most important predictors of success. The key is to create interdependence among students, and that involves dividing tasks so that everyone has a necessary role to play. Too often, learners are working in parallel and don't really need to listen to each other. The real learning takes place when students teach each other away from the computer. I would recommend that you look at books by Robert Slavin or the Johnson brothers for more detail on cooperative learning. You're right: it's a key topic.
17:02:46 [Bee] Bernie> I wonder where my foodquest would fit...
17:03:06 [fred] celina> perdao. pensie que fosse uma conhecida minha de MT
17:03:18 [jarbas] Bernie, there are many questions about outcomes of using webquests. Can you make any comments on the subject?
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17:03:54 [Bernie] Celina <-- Reports? You mean people detailing what it was like to do them? I don't have that, but it would be a good idea.
17:04:09 [rachid] ok .... krachid@uol.com.br
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17:04:58 [Xandy] patinha> Olá!
17:05:02 [graç] Numo, que bom estarmos juntos neste bate-papo. é a Graça.Obrigada pela dica das aulas pela webaula.
17:05:18 [Cabeda] Good Bye Everybody! Thanks Mr. Dodge!
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17:05:31 [celina] Mr. Dodge, Reports about the results of the use WQ.
17:06:11 [Bernie] Forgive me, I'm a little distracted here. There is a forest fire in the mountains near San Diego which threatens to burn down the offices of the virtual charter school that my wife works for. Details at http://www.thesandiegochannel.com/sand/news/stories/news-158290420020729-170739.html
17:07:05 [EsterB] Bernie> Mr. Dodge, could you tell us what has changed in education since (or because) your first WQ??
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17:07:56 [celina] Sorry Mr. Dodge.
17:08:01 [Bee]>[Bernie] This is quite disquieting...summer fires are unpredictable and dangerous...another theme for a webquest...
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17:09:10 [Cristiana] Bernie> We'll pray for all those affected by such tragedy.
17:09:21 [jarbas] Bernie, I hope the fire would not reach the offices of the organization June works for.
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17:10:01 [Bernie] Jarbas & EsterB <-- Well, it's hard to know what the outcomes really are. There is a project in Missouri called eMINTS that has shown that scores on standardized tests have gone up in classrooms that used techniques like WebQuests. I think that if WebQuests didn't exist, people would be using the internet a bit less intelligently because they forget what they already know about teaching. Only time will tell.
17:10:54 [afelippes] EsterB> Hello! Where are you?
17:10:55 [MonicaV] Bee> Hi everyone, hello Mr Dodge. Hi Bee, I hear you're an EFL teacher in Brazil, just like me... I would love to hear more about your projects and ideas, as I'm beginning to work on some topics myself... Is there any way I can contact you? My email is mveado.bh@terra.com.br
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17:11:04 [fred2] Bernie> maybe we should produce research comparing learning with and without WQs
17:11:27 [Cristiana] Bernie> That's what I like about WQs: the use of the best teaching practices taken to the web. I found that many teachers began to teach better without computers because they learned how to make WQs and so learned how to plan a good lesson!
17:12:05 [EsterB] afelippes> I am still in Brazil. Where have you been???
17:12:36 [Bee] MonicaV> Olá Monica...com prazer...meu e-mail é bwjdieu@sanet.com.br e você pode ter acesso ao meu site clicando na bonequinha do lado do meu nome...:)
17:12:38 [fred2] Bernie> question: how to use WQs if you dont have an internet access? Can we use them on CDs?
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17:13:27 [rachid] afelippes> Olá ... tudo bem !!!!
17:13:47 [Bernie] Fred<-- one of my doctoral students is going to do just that. We have an experimental classroom with wireless laptops. We're going to compare two sections of a class about Human Sexuality. They'll both be doing WebQuests, but we'll change the degree of cooperative learning across the two sections and learn what difference it makes. If we compare WebQuest vs. non-WebQuest, you'd have to control a whole lot of variables in order to make the comparison valid.
17:14:03 [Bee] Bernie> I have heard you are now developing a lesson planner...and it will be shown to the public in October...could you tell us more about it?
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17:14:17 [afelippes] EsterB> Estou em casa, call me later
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17:14:32 [jarbas] Bernie, we will try to have some reports about wq use outcomes in our site at the Escola do Futuro. I think that people considering using wq in their classes will have this way more information and insights...
17:15:18 [EsterB] afelippes> Entra no MSN.
17:15:50 [afelippes] rachid> Tudo ótimo e vc?
17:15:54 [Bernie] Fred <-- yes, you can use CDs. In fact, I just learned of a cool way to do it using Adobe Acrobat. The latest version lets you capture whole websites and turn them into PDF files that can be read offline. That sounds like a great solution when access is limited. See http://www.cwob.com/yellowtext/
17:16:01 [fred2] Bernie> i see tour point, but maybe we could compare schools that use WQs with those that dont do it and see if there are differences
17:16:09 [afelippes] rachid> Estarei lá na 5ª à tarde
17:16:45 [Nuno] Bernie e a todos obrigado
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17:16:49 [Bernie] Jarbas <-- Great! I look forward to seeing your results. (BTW, I had dinner with Lucian Ramalho here last week!)
17:17:04 [fred2] Bernie> ty. i shall try it with my students. They always argue back that schools dont have internet access so why learn WQs and other web based tec.
17:17:14 [graç] NunoMP> , que bom encontrá-lo neste bate-papo.Obrigada pelas dicas (o site da webaula)
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17:18:08 [Bernie] Fred <-- Again, you'd have to control a lot of variables. How would those schools differ in addition to using WebQuests or not? If you can't control or covary out the differences, then you can't tell what difference the WebQuest made.
17:18:12 [Xandy] Olá passoaL
17:19:27 [Mílada] Bernie and all: Do you known "Bloogs" . Do you think that it can be used at education? How? Why?
17:19:36 [jarbas] Bernie, I will call Luciano to know the 'news'.
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17:20:22 [rachid] Bernie> I liked very much to know and to work with that methodology. I really found fascinating like it has the capacity to be to that simple and at the same time so rich, so involving. Congratulations for the creation. And thank you for share it with us...
17:20:30 [Cristiana] Mílada> Some of our teachers here at the school are using blogs to create materials together. They seem to like the resource.
17:20:47 [Bernie] Bee <--- My lesson planner is still in progress. It used to be a Macintosh application written in HyperCard. When it re-emerges later this year, it will be as a web site. The new name (I think) will be LessonPLANalyst.
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17:21:48 [celina] Milada que são Bloogs?
17:22:01 [ic] Boa noite (estou em Lisboa-Portugal). tenho falado algumas vezes com o prof Simão marinho e ehoje resolvi "ouvir-vos"
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17:22:17 [Mílada] Cristiana: Where are you?
17:22:36 [fred2] Bernie> bernie, i would like to thank you for your time. Hope we meet again soon.
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17:22:50 [Bernie] Milada <-- I'm a great beliver in Blogs! I have used them as the centerpiece of two of my graduate classes: http://edweb.sdsu.edu/courses/ed834/ and http://edweb.sdsu.edu/courses/edtec670/ . It's a great way to get people reading and reflecting on what they read online.
17:22:55 [afelippes] EsterB> Vc ainda está aí?
17:23:05 [Cristiana] Mílada>Colégio Bandeirantes, São Paulo
17:23:05 [Bee] Bernie> I believe that what a teacher misses most is the time to reflect on what they have done in class and write about it...perhaps you could think of a pattern sheet where it would be easier for them to lay out their thoughts...
17:23:06 [Mílada] Cekina: Bloogs, pelo que entendi, são diários pessoais alimentados pelo usuário...Também não conheço direito, gostaria de conhecer melhor.
17:23:40 [celina] Milada, I will see the sites.Tanks
17:23:49 [msm63] Mílada> Seriam os ditos "Diários de Bordo"?
17:23:52 [Bernie] I also have a new personal blog online at http://home.earthlink.net/~bdodge/blog/ . I find that it helps me to remember what I've read and where I've been, and to organize my thoughts about them.
17:24:00 [Mílada] Cristiana: Então estamos próximas. Você tem algo a respeito , como usar, para qeu servem...?
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17:24:35 [Bernie] Bee <-- Interesting idea. Let me ponder that.
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17:24:46 [msm63] Já participei da construção de um deles em meu curso de especialização em informática educacional. Trata-se do registro de todo o processo de construção do sujeito/aprendiz.
17:25:13 [Cristiana] Mílada> Eu mesma não conheço bem. Vi uma professora de geografia daqui usando em colaboração com professores de outras escolas para juntas criarem materiais. Eu posso perguntar para ela...
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17:25:49 [Mílada] msm: tem endereço para indicar? preciso entender melhor esses bloogs...São tantas novidades!!!!!
17:26:48 [msm63] Como o fiz em 99, verificarei se ainda está on-line e enviarei o endereço para você. OK?
17:26:51 [EsterB] afelippes> Webquesteira, por favor entre no messenger.Jaaaaa!
17:26:51 [Mílada] Crstiana:Obrigado. Meu email é mila@cenpec.org.br
17:27:05 [jarbas] clara> Vamos terminando?
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17:27:41 [Mílada] Vou indo embora....Até o próximo chat.
17:28:17 [Cristiana] Mílada> Vc pode ver informações em http://www.blogger.com. O meu email é cmattos@colband.com.br se precisar de mais alguma coisa. :)
17:28:20 [ic] Digam-me por favor há quanto tempo começaram, para eu ver a diferença de hora para portugal.
17:28:21 [Mílada] Bernie: Thank you very much...You see how this tecnology can be well used?
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17:28:39 [celina] Nice to met you Mr. Dodge.Tanks to Jarbas too.
17:28:46 [Mauricio] Boa tarde...
17:29:09 [Bee] Muito obrigada Bernie, Jarbas e Clara pelo chat...I would love to keep in touch.
17:29:10 [Mauricio] jarbas> Boa tarde professor
17:29:21 [Bernie] Milada <-- Sure. I enjoy chats. I do one every month at http://www.TappedIn.org
17:29:31 [MonicaV] ic> Creio que começou às 4 da tarde (provavelmente 9 horas da noite em Lisboa)
17:29:41 [fred2] Nice to meet you , Mr Dodge. Thank you very much
17:29:45 [clara] Obrigada Bee
17:29:55 [msm63] Bernie> Obrigada pela excelente criação de uma forma muito interessante de explorar o que a Internet tem de melhor.
17:30:05 [EsterB] Bernie> Mr. Dodge, it was a pleasure to chat with you. Many thanks.
17:30:09 [ic] eu sei que era às 16h . Mas isso quer dizer há quanto tempo. Aqui em Lisboa agora são 21h 20m
17:30:11 [Bee]>[Bernie] And I would very much like to exchange some more ideas with you on the foodquest, i.e., if you have the time...
17:30:11 [afelippes] clara> Você vai disponibilizar o conteúdo desse chat? Tem vários links interessantes.
17:30:21 [celina] Parabéns Jarbas.
17:30:22 [Bernie] Thank you all for being here. You're reminding me how much I like Brasilians.
17:30:47 [jarbas] Bernie> We are aproaching the end of the chat and I think you are anxious to see what is happening around Julian. Thank for your time.
17:30:51 [clara] afelippes>Sim, amanhã
17:30:52 [Cristiana] Nice to meet you Bernie and All. Thanks for organizing this! It was a real privilege. Bye.
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17:31:01 [msm63] Um bom final de tarde a todos!
17:31:05 [MonicaV] ic> 1 hora e meia
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17:31:31 [ic] Obrigada Monica
17:31:41 [Bernie] OK... good night all. Take care, and keep on questing.